Today, Mr. Trump tweeted about four congresspersons of color:
….viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back…
It needs to be emphasized that this statement is part of a continuing Trump program to characterize non-caucasian Americans as “un-American” or “foreign”, even when born in the United States. Of “The Squad”, Ayanna Pressley was born in Chicago, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was born in NYC, and Rashida Tlaib was born in Detroit. Only Ilhan Omar is not native born American (Somalia). There is a long tradition of America welcoming (intermittently) immigrants and refugees from foreign shores, but as we know, Mr. Trump does not subscribe to that view (unless they come from Norway, apparently).
If you are inclined to give Mr. Trump some slack, allowing that he just might not have realized these individuals were born in the United States (after all, I truly believe he didn’t know Puerto Rico was part of America when Hurricane Maria struck), the fact that he has stated a desire to eliminate birthright citizenship points to a darker intent. From NYT:
President Trump said he was preparing an executive order that would nullify the long-accepted constitutional guarantee of birthright citizenship in the United States, his latest attention-grabbing maneuver days before midterm congressional elections as he has sought to activate his base by vowing to clamp down on immigrants and immigration.
“We’re the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States for 85 years, with all of those benefits,” Mr. Trump told Axios during an interview that was released in part on Tuesday, making a false claim. “It’s ridiculous. It’s ridiculous. And it has to end.”
As a matter of record, Mr. Trump is wrong in his characterization of the uniqueness of the US and birthright citizenship; there are at least 30 countries that also grant some form of birthright citizenship. See also this post.
Sad we have become what we used to hate. ICE = Gestapo.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fear-ice-raids-leads-some-u-s-citizens-carry-their-n1029621?fbclid=IwAR1556hX6Jp5mKXbcmRd-dHqTJmCo228uFX3kqjJMku0X496XC9r0QaVniE
You took the words right out of my mouth Brother. I wanna know where is the jewish community on this?? Does “never again” only qualify for one ethnic group?? Jews who don’t want to get stomped on by the Governments need to speak up NOW or STFU when their turn comes up. They voted for Netanyahu in droves and sing Netanyahu’s praises while he gets hit with self-evident corruption charges and he slow dances cheek-to-cheek with donald trump on the ballroom floor. Jewish leaders and Jewish citizens wanna play their cards that way—fine, don’t expect others to speak up loudly for you later.
Menzie You might be taking Trump out of context. My reading of the tweet is that Trump was telling them to go back to their districts, which he believes are crime infested sh*tholes. But in some ways my interpretation of his tweet is even worse than yours. Trump isn’t just saying that those four congress persons were un-American, he was saying that there are entire regions of the country that are un-American. Only white, conservative, rural parts of the country are truly American in TrumpWorld…except of course high rise buildings in mid-town Manhattan. If Trump wants to find truly depressed areas with high rates of poverty, crime, drug addiction and suicide, then maybe he should tour some of those rural areas of TrumpLand. The violent crime rate in Kansas is 413.0 per 100K. In New Jersey it’s 228.8 per 100K and in New York it’s 356.7 per 100K. And in ruby red Alabama it’s 524.2 per 100K. Deeply Republican Alaska has a violent crime rate of 829.0 per 100K (including violent crimes committed by the Palin family). And I’m sure he doesn’t want to risk his life in that crime infested socialist swamp called the People’s Republic of Vermont with it’s alarming violent crime rate of 165.8 per 100K. Trump isn’t just hinting at non-whites as being un-American, he’s saying that blue states and blue districts are un-American and crime infested. Trump needs to quit watching those old Charles Bronson Death Wish movies from the 1970s.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/topic-pages/violent-crime (Table 5)
2slugbaits: Mebbe. But here’s the whole tweet…
Yes, that part of the tweet referring to Congresswomen (plural) who came from countries (plural) supports your interpretation, although there would have been some truth to his tweet if he had used the singular rather than the plural. Somalia is pretty dysfunctional. OTOH, it’s not like his Administration is a shining example of competence.
Trump has been strangely silent about his tendency to marry foreign born women who then enjoy a lifetime of benefits and American citizenship for themselves and their parents.
“Trump has been strangely silent about his tendency to marry foreign born women”
His wives have similar traits – white, way too skinny, and gold diggers to the hilt. I bet this is why he had trouble with our World Cup champions. Athletic chics scare the fatso in chief. And not just the lesbian and black players. Can you imagine him hitting on Alex Morgan? She would dismiss fatso as she is married to a rather good looking soccer star in his own right!
“You might be taking Trump out of context. My reading of the tweet is that Trump was telling them to go back to their districts, which he believes are crime infested sh*tholes.”
AOC represents Queens. OK as a resident of Brooklyn – I avoid Queens at all costs. Then again Trump grew up in Queens. So if Trump wants to call his birth place a sh*thole, who am I to disagree?
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
I await with trepidation and disgust discovering whether, how, and how many Justices will simply ignore this. Amendment 15 was thrown out with Shelby County in one of the most sophistic decisions in Supreme Court history, and we just got Korematsu II, so all bets are off.
“Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
Thanks for reminding of what the Constitution says. We know Trump is an utter moron but isn’t it a requirement that the President knows what the Constitution says? Did he not swear an oath to uphold the Constitution? An Executive Order overriding the Constitution? God – we are ruled by an imbecile!
Speaking of Amendment 15:
https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/amendments/amendment-xv
SECTION 1: The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
SECTION 2: The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
I provided the 2nd sentence as apparently Justice Scalia never realized it existed.
They’re young, have their preoccupations and let them out. Each of their proposals has to the potential to kill America and turn it Muslim. As long as the democracy is functioning and there aren’t 200 Omars, it’s not going to happen.
Zi Zi: Turn America Muslim? Is that AOC’s objective? Or Pressley’s? And what makes you think it’s Tlaib’s or Omar’s — just a deep seated fear of “the other”?
AOC’s mom was born in Puerto Rico and her dad is Puerto Rican. Wow – I thought the residents of this island were Catholics. Puerto Rico as a secretive Muslim outclave. Zi Zi must be totally clued in some Central Intelligence brilliance!
Puerto Ricans are American citizens. Full stop. And have been for a century or so. Trump is a racist twit. No getting around it unless you are an apologist for racism.
@ Menzie
Menzie, you know my feelings towards people and what they say on this blog bends to the very liberal side—-not “liberal” politically, but liberal as to what should be allowed. However in Zi Zi’s case, where the only intention is to stir the pot, I hope you will be monitoring him closely on IP address etc. His net name is not the issue—he sounds more Russian than Chinese to me—but I hope you would monitor Zi Zi closely. This is the time as 2020 campaigns are just now starting up their motors for blog hosts to be vigilant. Blogs still have sway—maybe minor sway after Instagram etc—but they still have sway.
Maybe I am biased as you have been generous in your treatment of me allowing me to express myself and “vent” on your blog—but I believe you have shown good discretion and judgement on these matters as to what you allow on the blog—-if you smell bad intentions as regards “Zi Zi” and others, I hope you will go ahead and listen to your gut if Zi Zi’s sole intention is stirring people up and creating confusion.
I have never asked you (nor would I) to get rid of people I have personal barbs with on this blog. Commenter “Zi Zi” falls into another category.
Are we sure Zi Zi is not some Russian bot?
pgl: No, we are not sure.
Moses writes: “However in Zi Zi’s case, where the only intention is to stir the pot, I hope you will be monitoring him closely on IP address etc. His net name is not the issue—he sounds more Russian than Chinese to me—but I hope you would monitor Zi Zi closely. This is the time as 2020 campaigns are just now starting up their motors for blog hosts to be vigilant. Blogs still have sway—maybe minor sway after Instagram etc—but they still have sway.”
Perhaps you suffer from neurosis of the liver or simply are a devoted
NKVD or KGB operative.
Alex rating of 379,ooo
Eh Zi Zi – Muslims are well respected citizens of my city. So please take your racist garbage and shove it where the sun does not shine.
In another post JBH wrote Optimal Level of Debt, you’ll never find it out until the day you lose the World War against Iran.
IS: the actions are against illegal immigrants
JBH’s comments about “optimal debt” were very stupid. Please pay attention. BTW – Trump and you stroking racist hate plays into the hands of the hard liners in Iran. In case you do not know this Zi Zi but you sir are a traitor.
What kind of a name is ZiZi? Sounds purty foreign to me.
I’m old enough to remember a Zsa Zsa (Gabor) whose grasp of the English language was pretty tentative. She wore lots of fur and jewelry too.
You know what they say about those who live in glass houses. If you were born and raised where I was, there would have been plenty of folks keeping an eye on somebody whose name didn’t even appear in the Bible.
We also kept a good eye on those who crossed themselves when they prayed. THEY were the ones who might take over America and give it to the big guy who lived in that palace in Italy. Over our dead Protestant bodies.
Correct me if I’m wrong but did not Trump’s parents immigrate from Germany. By Trump’s own twisted logic, he himself should go back to Germany. Oh wait – Merkle as leader of Germany absolutely despises Trump and all he stands for.
Good for her. But here is an interesting new career for Trump after he loses our 2020 election. Move back to Germany, viciously attack their current politic leaders, and rise to stardom in what is left of their Nazi Party. He would fit in perfectly!
pgl No, it was Trump’s grandfather who immigrated from Germany. That said, your mistake is understandable since Trump himself seems to be confused over who was his father and who was his grandfather.
Trump’s mother immigrated from Scotland, from one of the islands off the northwest where they still speak Gaelic, which I understand was her mother tongue. There also seem to be some questions regarding the way she immigrated. This is part of why he really likes having a golf course in Scotland and is so enamored of Queen Elizabeth, whom he has said his late mother admired, although he rarely says anything about his mother, in sharp contrast with almost every president we have had, most of whom can be found to have said much and at length praising their mothers.
Barkley Rosser,
Trump’s parents’ story was quite common in NY. The Irish-Scots community had a lot of NY men marry immigrants from Ireland or Scotland.
My father’s cousin married an immigrant Irish woman in the early 60’s.
There was emigration from the UK and Irish Republic (continues slowly) after WW II, my sister in law was born in Britain, her family connections to Ireland. Her father a WW II veteran of the Royal Army. My father had a friend who we called Scotty and also served in the Royal Army during WW II.
“Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how”.
Let’s see. AOC is Puerto Rican which is a responsibility of our government especially after the Maria disaster. Me thinks AOC has the answer here. “Gee Mr. President, the U.S. government should have paid out $91 billion but to date has only paid $11 billion. Write me an $80 billion check NOW”.
Good to see that Trump sycophant Lindsey Graham is even more racist than Trump!
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/graham-dont-care-migrants-kept-detention-facilities-400-days
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) said on Sunday that he has no problem keeping the migrants in the squalid cells he saw during his detention facility tour in Texas with Vice President Mike Pence. “What I saw is a bunch of people who have been here before, broke the law before, and we’re not going to let them go,” Graham told Fox News’ “Sunday Morning Futures” host Maria Bartiromo. “I don’t care if they have to stay in these facilities for 400 days, we’re not going to let those men go that I saw. It would be dangerous.” Graham, who also serves as the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, claimed that “all of [the detained migrants] broke our law.”
All of the detain migrants broke the law? Even the young children? BTW if one watches Pence and his crew – none of them even looked at the detained immigrants. But somehow Graham claims he saw people who have been here before. Seriously?
Republican Lindsey Graham has shown his true colors many times. Including defending a Supreme Court nominee shown to be a drunk and a rapist on live TV. Of course that drunk and rapist was white and Catholic, so he’s “no danger”—he’s just one of God’s tiny lambs.
Remember the audience. This was a Fox Noise interview, so the target audience is a little dimwitted. Lindsey Graham has admitted that the only hope for the GOP is to continue to look for more and more angry white males. And his calculated rants are designed to do exactly that. Graham knows that politically the GOP is a dead man walking unless the GOP can rerun the old “Know Nothing” nativist party platform. Graham knows perfectly well that it’s legal for immigrants to cross the border and ask for asylum. The only people breaking the laws are those in the Administration. Of course, Mr. God Fearing Christian Lindsey Graham will go back to South Carolina and attend evangelical Trump rallies preaching how Jesus would let them all rot in their cells.
Paul Krugman interrupts the latest racist rant to talk about Trumpian monetary policy:
Goldbugs For Trump
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/13/opinion/goldbugs-for-trump.html
Stephen Moore and now Judy Shelton have long records of supporting the gold standard or something like it. This should put them at odds with his efforts to politicize the Fed…. With gold prices rising lately, gold standard advocates should be calling for the Fed to raise rates, not lower them. But of course both Moore and Shelton have endorsed Trump’s demand for rate cuts. This creates a dual puzzle: Why does Trump want these people, and why are they so willing to cater to his wishes?… I think there’s a simple answer…. Becom[ing] goldbugs… usually has less to do with conviction than with cynical careerism. And this in turn means that goldbugs are, in general, the kind of people who can be counted on to do Trump’s bidding, never mind what they may have said in the past
The pretty rocks theory of money. Why gold? We should ditch gold and go for a reserve based upon those colored rocks with a stripe that you can find on the beach. If we do that, I’m all in. Gold is kinda ugly by comparison. We should have nice looking pretty rocks to base currency upon.
A ruby standard would be interesting!
That would also be an improvement. I am personally more partial to emeralds, being from Seattle where CoRev wouldn’t be able to get a job.
Willie, a CoRev comment? How desperate are you for attention? BTW, I don’t need nor want a job. I’m long retired. I’ve also been to Seattle. Pretty surroundings full of kooks.
There are a number of male members of Congress who strongly criticize Trump. Some of these guys are either black, Asian, or even Muslim. But Trump does not lose it as badly as he lost it with these four women. Trump has a real problem when challenged by a strong woman.
“I think there’s a simple answer…. Becom[ing] goldbugs… usually has less to do with conviction than with cynical careerism. And this in turn means that goldbugs are, in general, the kind of people who can be counted on to do Trump’s bidding, never mind what they may have said in the past”
As my since deceased father said to me on very very rare occasion [ at which point my ego would surge 3 times its prior size ] “My boy, I believe you have put your finger on the pulse”.
That was intended as a reply to pgi’s comment.
Maybe Trump went off because of my take down of Pence’s trip to the border:
Pence’s Potemkin Village on the Mexican Border
http://econospeak.blogspot.com/2019/07/pences-potemkin-village-on-mexican.html
Then again he woke up to the realization that the ICE raiders were welcomed to immigrants who knew their Fifth Amendment rights. The ICE had no warrants and were almost universally not allowed to enter the houses of the people they were supposed to harass. Trump in other words woke up to the realization that he is an utter failure at everything.
“Go back to where you came from,” pretty much sums up the thinking of lots of Americans, particularly the native ones a couple of centuries ago. You know, the Iroquois Confederacy, the Shawnee, the Cherokee, (who were sent to where they didn’t come from), the Lakota, the Nez Perce, the Paiute, the Shoshone, the Navajo, et. al. And who can forget the special arrangements that sent the Apache to their ancestral non-homeland in Florida?
Those were also the special sentiments of the natives in this part of California–Nissanan, Pomo, Miwok, Modoc, et. al., who were pushed from their lands with no real place to go back to. Something having to do with gold.
Don’t recall anyone telling me to go back where I came from: Good thing. The Scots likely wouldn’t want me.
Heh, your last line made me chuckle. I don’t know, I get the feeling if people in most “tribes” (pun intended) were more like you we wouldn’t be having most of these issues. Your cultural references made me think of the old film “Thunderheart”. I always felt a kinship to the secretly pervy Ray Levoi in that film, thinking he was going to be “Superman” to the girl (IRL Wisconsin born) during and after the motorhome scene with grandma. That’s one of those films the young kids wouldn’t like anymore because they now apparently find disgusting and hate the idea of a “white savior”. “Horrid” even to imagine—whites with empathy to their cause. “Frightening” even…… A person in a position of power wanting to assist in a minority cause…..must feel something similar to getting Ebola I guess……..But I related to that film in many ways, and of course any movie with Sam Shepard counts as “cool” in my book.
AOC, Pressley, Tlaib, Omar Hit Back At Trump’s Racist Tirade: ‘We Don’t Fear You’
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/aoc-tlaib-pressley-omar-trump-respond-racist-tirade
Check out their Twitter responses!
A doctor who has been inside the south USA immigrant cages. There are children and babies suffering, the video (which is mostly an interview of the doctor) is 8 minutes long:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWa5CCcH5BE
If the extreme suffering if small children emotionally upsets you then maybe skip the video. Republican James Lankford says the immigrants are all adult males claiming to be 17 years old—so I guess this doctor was hallucinating during her visit inside the immigrant cages run by ICE and CBP. I am sure the albino Republican Christian James Lankford wouldn’t LIE about children suffering or dying, because, well, Republican James Lankford is a “Christian”.
The good doctor talked about how the detentees were not being treated with “human dignity and decency”. Mike Pence and Lindsey Graham were down there. I’m sure they would note that these people are BROWN. Human? Nah!
Chris Wallace interviewing Kelly Anne Conway on the detention facilities is a joy to behold:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/chris-wallace-press-conway-migrant-detention-center-disaster?fbclid=IwAR0L7SnE5_KwpRjaeN2U4Mf2DI3ff301FLQpD4KllrhMtF_OB5OkUgim93I
This lying b$tch kept talking about “facts”? Yea – not every facility is the same. They constructed that Potemkin Village to claim that the immigrants are being treated well. Wallace was having none of it but our favorite “alternative facts” girl kept talking over him. She even claimed she wanted everyone to be treated “humanely”. Seriously?
I thought yesterday that Lindsey Graham had hit rock bottom and could not go lower but he goes onto Fox & Friends and proved me wrong:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/15/politics/lindsey-graham-communists-democratic-congresswomen/index.html?fbclid=IwAR1PR_rP7arLsGeWsXSFSg0ZpJKO0MRIlhwYgv29x09V5oAX2feP6NPudco
The citizens of South Carolina need to tell Graham he can no longer be their Senator.
The Brooklyn press covered the ICE raids here which utterly failed. But leave it to Trump to say otherwise:
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/15/trump-ice-raids-1416128
Trump talks up success of raids, despite little evidence of widespread deportations
President Donald Trump on Monday asserted that the mass-deportation raids he confirmed and publicized last week took place, despite few signs of removals being carried out at the scale he promised. “The ICE raids were very successful — people came into our country illegally, illegally,” Trump told reporters during an event at the White House showcasing American-made products. “Many, many were taken out on Sunday, you just didn’t know about it.”
Trump does lie about EVERYTHING!
Kellyanne Conway…….. still “fighting for” women’s rights everywhere:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHWEKpelJqs
In between this and fighting for the rights of pedophile Republican judges running for Senate in Alabama, I’m surprised Kellyanne hasn’t gotten the Trinity Broadcasting Network’s award for “2019 Woman of the Year”. Or maybe Evangelical Church Alliance’s award for “2019 Greatest Warrior Maiden for Diversity”???
I can see Kellyanne on the ECA Awards podium now….. “So….. how many Jews you got in the ECA anyway??”
Do we get to boot out anyone who complains about America?? There’s one orange leathery creature I thought we could boot first. An ugly deformed animal with a dysfunctional brain:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9q5gmmzvMQ
At middle age I’m pretty numb to just about everything under the sun. I gotta say I found this disturbing, and it kinda punctured through my callus more than most things do:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv-B8G5sj1Y
I believe both our good man Mr. Chinn and friendly west coast co-hort Mr. Hamilton are fans of objective data and empirical analysis:
https://trac.syr.edu/immigration/reports/564/
There is fun to be had (although, yes, related to a morbid topic) for all of our good “Puh-hud” crowd, including a FREEweb app:
https://trac.syr.edu/phptools/immigration/detention/
Have fun kids!!!!!