Covid-19: Excess Fatalities vs. Administrative Counts

In contrast to earlier weeks, the most recent “excess fatality” count is solidly in the positive region, despite the severe under-reporting bias in the most recent observations. To see this, consider the most recent estimates for each of the previous vintages of “excess fatalities” calculated as actual-expected.

Figure 1: Excess fatalities, 10/7 vintage (purple red), 9/30  vintage (violet), 9/23 vintage (chartreuse), 9/16 vintage (red), 9/9 vintage (green), 9/2 vintage (orange), 8/25 vintage (blue). Note excess fatalities differ from CDC series which are bounded below at zero. Source: CDC , various vintages, and author’s calculations.

This pattern suggests to me we should take with circumspection (1) the most recent counts of excess fatalities as they are likely to be revised substantially upward; and (2) administrative counts, either from CDC or from alternative compilations, as they are possibly missing many actual Covid-19 related deaths. Extending point (1), it is unclear to me whether excess fatalities are indeed falling, as they seem to have been pretty constant from the week ending 7/25 through week ending 8/15. (The Economist has a discussion of excess fatalities around the world; the Excess Death Tracker is here.)

Here are the various series of interest, latest available.

Figure 2:  Weekly fatalities due to Covid-19 as reported to CDC for weeks ending on indicated dates (black), excess fatalities calculated as actual minus expected (teal), fatalities as tabulated by Our World in Data (dark red). Note excess fatalities differ from CDC series which are bounded below at zero. Light green shading denotes CDC data that are likely to be revised. Source: CDC  10/7/2020 vintage, OurWorldinData version of 10/8 accessed 10/9/2020 and author’s calculations.

One conclusion that seems obvious: Cumulative excess fatalities through week ending 8/25 are substantially higher than administratively defined Covid-19 cumulative fatalities.

61 thoughts on “Covid-19: Excess Fatalities vs. Administrative Counts

  1. pgl

    Must see – an interesting story on Trump’s botched response to COVID-19:

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/oct/07/totally-under-control-review-shocking-film-on-trumps-failure-to-handle-covid-19

    Totally Under Control review – shocking film on Trump’s failure to handle Covid-19
    Alex Gibney’s eye-opening documentary, made in secret, assembles a damning, if frustratingly incomplete, timeline of a government ill-equipped to deal with a deadly pandemic

    The most enlightening material comes in the first half-hour and change, as the film digs in to the details of the less-covered preliminary period. Sole credited writer Gibney uses South Korea as a parallel at every juncture of the American quagmire, the prepared and responsible Gallant to the West’s reckless, self-interested, corrupt Goofus. In the early months, the Korean Center for Disease Control models the correct response in their quick, decisive action to pre-empt and pen in the virus. Across the Pacific, the Trump administration goes to great lengths to obstruct, shrink and neuter the national CDC, due seemingly to the sitting president’s attitude of contempt for science itself. Combine that with an appeal to xenophobia rooted in the idea of Covid being a Chinese issue for China to deal with, and the States fostered a terrible vulnerability that led to instant disaster.

    Gibney’s script collates a large volume of developments into a cohesive timeline pitting the Trump White House against the independent agencies dedicated to keeping the public safe; the mandate to project a positive image versus the expanding inferno of reality. Access proves a most vital asset, the producers’ connections affording us a front-row seat to the cascading policy failures. Trump gives away plum contracts to underqualified companies run by his pals, and then delegates crisis response to his dead-eyed lackey Jared Kushner.
    That’s where things get good, as a member of his taskforce breaks his NDA to recount his time in a Mickey Mouse operation of extraordinary incompetence. Though Max Kennedy showed up as a volunteer eager to assist the experts, he soon found that he was expected to be the expert, made a staffer on the spot despite zero experience or knowhow. Their job objectives were unclear and, in effect, unimportant. The scant handful of times he met the Fema employees he assumed would be running the joint, he realized that what he and his colleagues were doing or not doing couldn’t matter less. It was all for show.
    The film’s gist rests in that hollow performance of authority, a key plank in Trump’s doctrine of going through the motions of governance while amassing private wealth and massaging his own ego. We’re shown that Korea makes it through this cataclysm largely unscathed, while the death toll continues to rise on the other side of the world. Gibney and Co posit the president’s vain mismanagement as the differentiating factor, hardly a revelation even when presented with more infuriating immediacy than newsprint can manage. All said, there are less educational ways to raise your blood pressure for two hours, and the masochistic Twitter-refreshers nourishing themselves with a steady drip of maddening headlines will have plenty to fume over. Starting with the sniggering title, this torturous rehashing of yesterday’s history all seems to be for them.

  2. pgl

    Trump will take a ‘medical evaluation’ administered by a Fox News doctor on TV, the network says

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-medical-test-fox-news-doctor-tucker-carlson-2020-10

    President Donald Trump will be interviewed by the Fox News anchor Tucker Carlson on Friday, the network announced.

    It would be Trump’s first on-camera interview since being diagnosed with COVID-19 last week.

    Fox News said its resident medical expert, Dr. Marc Siegel, would examine Trump. Siegel has pushed coronavirus misinformation in the past.

    The president has claimed that he has recovered from COVID-19, but he coughed and sounded hoarse in a phone interview with Fox News on Thursday night.

    Marc Siegel? He has been denying the severity of certain viruses for a long time including the swine flu and SARS. He opposed Obamacare and in 2016 spread a false story about Hillary Clinton having some alleged serious illness. He has also spread false information about COVID-19 saying it is no worse than the flu. He was also the clown that praised Trump’s performance on the dementia exam – person, woman, man, camera, TV!

  3. Willie

    I am burned out by it all. My ballot should be here soon, and I will vote immediately. The sooner we have a president who doesn’t think repeating person, woman, man, camera, TV is a major triumph, the better.

    1. pgl

      So when Dr. Marc Siegel declares tonight that Trump has completely destroyed the COVID-19 in him – will you feel safe going to his rallies?

    1. pgl

      Gee Bruce Mr. Magoo Hall. For someone who declared the other statistic that mattered was the number of deaths – you have omitted this time series for several weeks. I wonder why.

      Cases are up for a long while and yea I know you can’t see a ‘correlation’ between cases and deaths on a contemporaneus basis but that is because of the lag between reported cases and deaths which of course everyone knows about except the dumbest troll ever – Bruce Hall.

      1. Bruce Hall

        pgl, apparently you can’t read graphs. But keep trying.

        Deaths and hospitalizations are down; “cases” are up. Given that “cases” now includes antibody testing and many false positives, that is most unreliable statistic.

          1. pgl

            “Deaths and hospitalizations are down”.

            Thanks for the link.

            You know if you took that death column – there are persistently up since the beginning of September. I guess Bruce Hall lied about both items.

        1. pgl

          My point dumbass is that you have refused to draw the graphs on death counts. Wonder why little lying troll. BTW – your graph on hospitalization is wrong. Probably a deliberate mistake on your part.

    2. pgl

      BTW – did your defense attorney got you out on bail from those kidnapping charges re your Governor? Let’s hope so as prison is a COVID cluster. Wear a damn mask stupid.

        1. pgl

          I avoid Midwood. The residents there follow your stupid advice. Still COVID free and getting out and about in Park Slope. How’s life in your mom’s basement?

        2. pgl

          Never mind me that stupid lies from the pathetic little child Bruce Hall. But it is apparent that this sick little boy celebrates it whenever someone in a blue state dies from COVID-19. I know this sick little excuse of a human is emulating his master Donald John Trump but isn’t celebrating the death of anyone grounds for being banned from Facebook. And this lying little troll who has no respect for other people is allowed to comment here? OK!

        3. pgl

          Did Brucie Boy not read his own link again:

          “We are deeply concerned about the alarming increase in COVID-19 in the ZIP codes in Brooklyn and Queens,” NYC Health Commissioner Dave Chokshi said during a press briefing Tuesday.

          Or maybe this pathetic little moron has no clue what this means. We know the neighborhoods where cases are up. We are testing and tracing and taking the steps to make sure these hot spots get their behavior back in line with keep this virus down. What other states are doing this? Not many who listen to morons like Trump or Bruce Hall. To be fair – the governor of Bruce’s state is trying. And for this domestic terrorists like Bruce Hall want to kidnap her. MAGA!

  4. joseph

    Remember. According to Kopits there are no excess deaths. There are only slightly premature deaths. No big deal. They were going to die anyway.

    1. pgl

      Princeton Stevie was awful during Maria but not that bad of late. Now you are describing Bruce Hall to a tee.

      1. Moses Herzog

        Are you forgetting “Princeton”Kopits prediction on Italy deaths vs USA deaths?? Let’s not forget Kopits seems to think it’s awesome when Mexican children are kidnapped from their parents and put 100 to a cage with 1 non-working toilet, but is against punishment of large American corporations and/or executives that search out and employ illegal immigrants. The quickest way to get “Princeton”Kopits to disappear from this blog and go offline is to mention punishment of American employers of illegal immigrants. It might even make you wonder what kind of domestic household help “Princeton”Kopits has employed himself~~the man who craves media attention suddenly becomes a deaf mute whenever the topic is brought up.

  5. pgl

    Presidential Debate Commission has canceled that town hall debate. Biden was ready to do it under their sensible rules given the fact that Trump has COVID19. Trump is one of his roid rages complained about the rules and then wimped out.

    1. macroduck

      When you write “roid”, do you mean hemorrhoid? ‘Cause given Trump’s age and diet, I can’t be sure. Was that beneath me? I can’t tell.

      1. Barkley Rosser

        Oh, “roid.” Well, “roi” is French for “king.” So, if we see that with a “d” on its end, that means it is past tense, so “roid” may mean “past king,” which may soon be relevant to the current POTUS.

  6. Moses Herzog

    MAGA and QAnon monocrat donald trump is weak, pathetic, a loser, AND a p**sy. We’re going to take care of him on November 3rd. Believe me. And everyone knows it.
    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/520448-debate-commission-cancels-oct-15-debate

    Sometimes donald lets you do anything when he’s afraid. Kick him in the balls, anything….. we’ll take him furniture shopping after and then move on him like he’s a child predator in Rikers Island Prison.

  7. ltr

    October 9, 2020

    Coronavirus

    US

    Cases ( 7,894,478)
    Deaths ( 218,648)

    India

    Cases ( 6,977,008)
    Deaths ( 107,450)

    Mexico

    Cases ( 804,488)
    Deaths ( 83,096)

    France

    Cases ( 691,977)
    Deaths ( 32,583)

    UK

    Cases ( 575,679)
    Deaths ( 42,679)

    Germany

    Cases ( 320,478)
    Deaths ( 9,687)

    Canada

    Cases ( 178,117)
    Deaths ( 9,585)

    China

    Cases ( 85,521)
    Deaths ( 4,634)

  8. ltr

    October 9, 2020

    Coronavirus (Deaths per million)

    US ( 659)
    Mexico ( 643)
    UK ( 628)
    France ( 499)

    Canada ( 253)
    Germany ( 116)
    India ( 78)
    China ( 3)

    Notice the ratios of deaths to coronavirus cases are 10.3%, 7.4% and 4.7% for Mexico, the United Kingdom and France respectively.

  9. ltr

    https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-10-10/Chinese-mainland-reports-15-new-COVID-19-cases-all-from-overseas-Ut02Mlzvs4/index.html

    October 10, 2020

    Chinese mainland reports 15 new COVID-19 cases

    The Chinese mainland on Friday registered 15 new COVID-19 cases, all from overseas, the National Health Commission announced on Saturday.

    No deaths related to the coronavirus were reported over the previous 24 hours, while 15 patients were discharged from hospitals.

    The COVID-19 tally on the Chinese mainland stands at 85,536 infections and 4,634 fatalities, while 380 asymptomatic patients remain under medical observation.

    Chinese mainland new imported cases

    https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-10-10/Chinese-mainland-reports-15-new-COVID-19-cases-all-from-overseas-Ut02Mlzvs4/img/4600b4ed7a2946d2bc85c18318e02a20/4600b4ed7a2946d2bc85c18318e02a20.jpeg

    Chinese mainland new asymptomatic cases

    https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-10-10/Chinese-mainland-reports-15-new-COVID-19-cases-all-from-overseas-Ut02Mlzvs4/img/82c1294e7ee54d689d1739d0dbde4abd/82c1294e7ee54d689d1739d0dbde4abd.jpeg

    [ There has been no coronavirus death on the Chinese mainland since May 17. There has been no community or domestic coronavirus case for 55 days. Since June began there have been only 2 limited community clusters of infections, in Beijing and Urumqi in Xinjiang, both of which were contained with mass testing, contact tracing and quarantine, and both outbreaks ended in a few weeks. Imported coronavirus cases are caught at entry points with required testing and immediate quarantine. Asymptomatic cases are all quarantined.

    The flow of imported cases to China is low, but has been persistent. There are as a result 206 active imported coronavirus cases on the Chinese mainland, but of which only 2 cases are classed as serious or critical. ]

  10. Moses Herzog

    This has to rank up there somewhere with Mitt Romney’s Bain Capital profiting off of fetal tissue waste. Of course, no objections from the Catholics or the “pro-lifers” on THIS. They got their regressive tax rates and the power to tell poor uneducated women not smart enough to use a condom what they can and cannot do, so the important territorial grounds (to avoid more vulgar terminology) for “conservatives” have been covered:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/08/health/trump-covid-fetal-tissue.html?surface=home-discovery-vi-prg&fellback=false&req_id=494498259&algo=identity&imp_id=575036662&action=click&module=Science%20%20Technology&pgtype=Homepage

    None of the infertile southern Evangelical women (couples) who “were just pulling their hairs out” trying to find orphans to adopt that met their litmus test will spend 1/10th of a second wondering where this fits on their personal gauge of immorality or hypocrisy, And our very clueless DNC flunkies and Hillary cronies on Biden’s campaign team won’t feel “any necessity” to bring these facts up in TV and internet political messaging in the deep south, where if communicated properly might move the needle a half inch in battleground states. That would take some level of intelligence and discernment of southern voters the Hillary flunkies and DNC “stewards” have never been “equipped with”.

    1. pgl

      Putting their hypocrisy aside, more on the science:

      https://www.cbsnews.com/news/regeneron-trump-covid-aborted-fetal-tissue/

      But the way in which the antibody cocktail was developed is at odds with the Trump administration’s position on research using fetal cells. According to a Regeneron spokesperson, the drug’s potency was tested in a lab using HEK 293T cells. That cell line was originally derived from the kidney tissue of a fetus aborted in the Netherlands in the 1970s. The cells “were used in testing the antibody candidates’ ability to neutralize the virus” and helped researchers “determine the ‘best’ two antibodies, which now make up the REGN-COV2 cocktail,” the spokesperson said. There is no fetal tissue present in the final product.
      Remdesivir, an antiviral drug Mr. Trump received, also was tested using the HEK 293T cells. Last year, the Trump administration said it would no longer support long-standing funding for medical research by government scientists using human fetal tissue, a move that countered advice from physicians and researchers. The decision was seen as a major victory for anti-abortion rights groups. Because the fetal cells used in developing Regeneron’s antibody cocktail were originally derived from an abortion prior to the funding ban, a White House official told CBS News on Thursday that the therapeutic wasn’t in violation of the administration’s new policy. “The Administration’s policy on the use of human fetal tissue from elective abortions in research specifically excluded ‘already-established (as of June 5, 2019) human fetal cell lines,” the official said. “Thus, a product made using extant cell lines that existed before June 5, 2019 would not implicate the Administration’s policy.”

      I said last year that Trump’s ban on medical research was a very stupid idea. Trump was pandering to a bunch of religious zealots. Scientific research using these cells does not promote abortion. It does save lives. Trump is a two faced moron.

      1. CoRev

        TWWA, not only can’t do analysis but can’t read.
        Trump’s policy: “Federal scientists working at the National Institutes of Health will be prohibited from obtaining new tissue samples from elective abortions for ongoing research projects at NIH.” https://www.npr.org/2019/06/05/729983644/trump-administration-bars-federal-research-involving-human-fetal-tissue
        TWWA’s claim: “… the Trump administration said it would no longer support long-standing funding for medical research by government scientists using human fetal tissue,…”
        Regeneron statement: ” That cell line was originally derived from the kidney tissue of a fetus aborted in the Netherlands in the 1970s.”

        TWWA’s statements are an amazement. Regeneron is a private firm and not a federal agency with government scientists. The fetal cells were collected nearly a 1/2 century ago, and then from outside the US.

        TWWA being the astute analyst that he is even quoted this: “The Administration’s policy on the use of human fetal tissue from elective abortions in research specifically excluded ‘already-established (as of June 5, 2019) human fetal cell lines,” the official said. “Thus, a product made using extant cell lines that existed before June 5, 2019 would not implicate the Administration’s policy.”

        One of the reasons claimed for restricting fetal tissue use was because there is plenty already available. Yup! TWWA showed the truth of that claim. TWWA is a two faced moron.

        1. pgl

          We figured you would find some stupid way of defending this hypocrisy since you are the #1 hypocrit here. BTW dumbass – I support the scientists using this research tool even if dumbass Trump does not.

        2. pgl

          ‘Trump’s policy: “Federal scientists working at the National Institutes of Health will be prohibited from obtaining new tissue samples from elective abortions for ongoing research projects at NIH.”

          Regeneron is a private firm and not a federal agency with government scientists.’

          Can CoRev be more stupid? Yes it is private biotech but I guess CoRev is so out of touch not to realize that NIH and the Federal government is paying for a lot of the R&D being done by this company.

          CoRev must be on steroids too as he is more angry and incoherent than his usual angry and incoherent self.

        3. pgl

          I suspect the liar CoRev is going to deny that the NIH is working with Regeneron Pharmaceutical but check this out:

          https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/covid-19-clinical-research

          NIAID COVID-19 Clinical Research
          As part of the U.S. government’s response to the COVID-19 pandemic, NIAID is conducting and supporting clinical research to prevent, treat and better understand the respiratory illness.

          Monoclonal Antibodies to Prevent COVID-19 Infection
          Two trials being conducted through the NIAID Coronavirus Prevention Network (CoVPN) will test monoclonal antibodies for their ability to prevent COVID-19 disease or infection in uninfected adults who are at high risk of acquiring SARS-CoV-2 due to living or working with infected individuals. One trial will test REGN-COV-2, a monoclonal combination supplied by Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, and a second trial will test a monoclonal antibody (LY-CoV555) made by the Eli Lilly and Company.

          What? What? The all power researcher CoRev did not know this? Snicker!

          1. CoRev

            The desperate TWWA now can not tell the difference between developmental research done by the private sector and the Joint testing done to prove efficacy of a medicine. You’ve proven again just how poor an analyst you are and your amazing ignorance. What a moron!

            BTW, Regeneron did get a $450M grant for production so that distribution could commence if/when he already developed product passed and was accepted.

            Only TWWA could so moronically misinterpret such basic information.

          2. pgl

            “The desperate TWWA now can not tell the difference between developmental research done by the private sector and the Joint testing done to prove efficacy of a medicine.”

            Oh my – CoRev uses the Google machine to kind concepts he barely understands. Look – you claimed this company was private until I showed your lying a$$ that NIH was sponsoring their testing. Which they should. But NIH also sponsors a lot of developmental research too. But I guess your Google machine has not told you what everyone else on the planet already knows.

            BTW the religious freaks would not be pleased if you are now endorsing fetal cells to do testing either. But come on weasel – take a stand. Do you support using public funds to do testing when it relies on fetal cells? I did not think so. But hey go back to the Google machine and find things you do not understand to bore us with.

          3. CoRev

            There’s TWWA again showing his ignorance. “But come on weasel – take a stand. Do you support using public funds to do testing when it relies on fetal cells? ” Cells collected nearly 1/2 century before the current policy, and probably regrown how many times since??? Worse TWWA thinks the sponsored testing, phase 2 and phase 3 involves use of these cells??? Ignorance like this is an amazement.

            TWWA then, without evidence, conflates NIH funding sponsoring research to this specific research? Are there any working brain cells?

            Can you tell us how this private firm’s use of 1/2 century old fetal cells is against the policy? Please tell us how long past birth you accept abortion. 2slugs at ;east he support murder.

            Please stop showing us your ignorance. It’s embarrassing.

        4. 2slugbaits

          CoRev I think you’re missing the point. The source of the funding is morally irrelevant if you truly believe that the use of tissue from an aborted fetus is morally wrong. So if you believe it’s wrong to perform research using tissue from an aborted fetus, then it’s hard to justify your personally harvesting the benefits from that research. If Trump truly believed his anti-abortion claptrap, then he should have refused the Regeneron treatment. Of course, Trump is an amoral creature, so I doubt that his conscience (if he has one!) is at all troubled by his obvious hypocrisy.

          But what about you? Would you refuse to accept Regeneron’s treatment if you were severely ill with COVID? Of course not. You’d take it in a heartbeat. You’re all about anti-abortion policies up to the point where those policies might affect you personally.

          1. CoRev

            Up pops 2slugs carrying more straw for his false argument. How long after birth are you OK with abortion; hours, days or decades?

          2. pgl

            “CoRev
            October 10, 2020 at 5:04 pm
            Up pops 2slugs carrying more straw for his false argument.”

            So says the king of straw. False argument? All you do is lie and lie and lie. Move on troll.

          3. 2slugbaits

            pgl So says the king of straw. False argument?

            Exactly. Not only is CoRev the king of straw, he apparently doesn’t even know what a strawman argument is. It’s just a couple words that he connected in his HQC-addled brain. And did you notice that he didn’t want to answer my question? I asked whether or not he would take a life-saving medicine that was developed by using aborted fetal tissue even though he sees all abortions as morally wrong. Abortions are always wrong unless they happen to benefit CoRev. The shallowness of the man is staggering, as is the shallowness of his cult leader Donald Trump. He probably thinks Joel Osteen books are serious tracts on ethics.

          4. CoRev

            2slugs can’t even argue his own points without bringing more straw. “CoRev I think you’re missing the point. The source of …blah, blah…Not only is CoRev the king of straw, he apparently doesn’t even know what a strawman argument is. It’s just a couple words that he connected in his HQC-addled brain. ” Finishing with an a hominem argument.

            Notice not once has he actually addressed the policy argument, but just talked round it.

            He some how thinks he’s making points, and doesn’t know he’s not even making sense.

        5. pgl

          The stem cell line in question dates back to the 1970’s and an important publication on its development was published in 1987:

          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC365079/

          Mol Cell Biol. 1987 Jan; 7(1): 379–387.
          doi: 10.1128/mcb.7.1.379
          Analysis of mutation in human cells by using an Epstein-Barr virus shuttle system.
          R B DuBridge, P Tang, H C Hsia, P M Leong, J H Miller, and M P Calos

          It would be interesting to find out who sponsored this research. CoRev insists it was paid for by Regeneron but that cannot be right as the company’s own SEC filings note the company began in 1988.

          Oh wait – CoRev does not even know an SEC filing even is. Never mind.

          1. CoRev

            There’s TWWA again showing his ignorance. “But come on weasel – take a stand. Do you support using public funds to do testing when it relies on fetal cells? ” Cells collected nearly 1/2 century before the current policy, and probably regrown how many times since??? Worse TWWA thinks the sponsored testing, phase 2 and phase 3 involves use of these cells??? Ignorance like this is an amazement.

            TWWA then, without evidence, conflates NIH funding sponsoring research to this specific research? Are there any working brain cells?

            Can you tell us how this private firm’s use of 1/2 century old fetal cells is against the policy? Please tell us how long past birth you accept abortion. 2slugs at ;east he support murder.

            Please stop showing us your ignorance. It’s embarrassing.

          2. CoRev

            TWWA, please stop showing your scientific ignorance: “The stem cell line in question dates back to the 1970’s and an important publication on its development was published in 1987:

            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC365079/
            Search his paper ans see if it even references stem cells.

            Trump’s policy: “Federal scientists working at the National Institutes of Health will be prohibited from obtaining new tissue samples from elective abortions for ongoing research projects at NIH.” TWWA, again how does this conflict with Trump’s policy?

            Incompetents are embarrassing the elders.

  11. ltr

    October 9, 2020

    Coronavirus

    US

    Cases ( 7,894,478)
    Deaths ( 218,648)

    Serious, Critical Cases ( 14,777)

    [ Notice the number of coronavirus patients listed as “serious, critical.” This has been the situation for months. ]

  12. ltr

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/08/well/live/covid-19-hospital-rehabilitation.html

    October 8, 2020

    After a Hospital Stay for Covid, Patients May Face Months of Rehabilitation
    Many patients who were critically ill with Covid-19 face arduous recoveries, often requiring extensive physical rehabilitation.
    By Anahad O’Connor

    Not long ago, Allen Washington was a busy executive who traveled the country on business trips while trying to stay healthy and active, walking up to two miles a day for exercise.

    But that came to an end when he developed Covid-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus, in June. Mr. Washington spent three weeks lying in a hospital bed in a medically induced coma. When he woke up, he discovered his body had deteriorated. He had bedsores and was too weak to walk or stand. He had nerve damage in his legs, neck and shoulders. He suffered from memory loss and kidney failure.

    While he survived Covid-19, Mr. Washington, 60, is now grappling with the aftermath of the disease. To regain his strength and motor skills, he undergoes physical and occupational therapy at the Shirley Ryan AbilityLab in Chicago, which specializes in helping people who have been debilitated by Covid-19 and other illnesses. Since leaving the hospital, he has had to relearn simple tasks that became too difficult because of his memory loss and muscle weakness, like walking up stairs, tying his shoes and getting dressed in the morning.

    “I came back from death’s door, and now I have a lot of work to do to get better,” he said.

    Even after surviving Covid-19, many patients who were critically ill face long and arduous recoveries, often requiring extensive physical rehabilitation. The problems they encounter are wide ranging….

  13. pgl

    “Cells collected nearly 1/2 century before the current policy, and probably regrown how many times since???”

    CoRev is basically saying any abortion before 2019 is AOK with him. The current policy? Weak. The rants that followed this stupid tirade aren’t even worth wasting time on.

    I wonder if CoRev thinks he is some sort of attorney. His lips keep moving and sound keeps coming out but none of it has a lick of substance, meaning or integrity. Blah, blah, blah.

  14. CoRev

    TWWA, can stop the trolling and hate filled projections showing your ignorance? “CoRev is basically saying any abortion before 2019 is AOK with him. The current policy?” Remember it was he that brought up Trump’s 2019 policy pronouncement.

    The actual policy described: “Officials said government-sponsored research by universities will be allowed to continue, subject to additional scrutiny.

    But ongoing research at the National Institutes of Health involving fetal tissue from elective abortion would not be allowed to proceed.

    The policy change won’t affect privately funded research that uses human fetal tissue.”
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-ending-fetal-tissue-research-federal-scientists-n1014166 (not a conservative source)

    He didn’t understand his own referenced scientific study. He doesn’t understand history, policy of ~1/2 century ago might just be different. He doesn’t understand how and why existing 1/2 century old fetal material is grown and regrown for experimental use. He doesn’t understand 1/2 century old fetal material collected in another country may not apply to even then existing policy, let alone current policy. He relies upon corporate financial filings as sources for science. He has shown he is clueless about nearly every subject upon which he comments. This list could go on indefinitely.

    Not only does TWWA need to lie, but he can’t read nor understand the underlying information to know when he is lying. Two working brain cells would be helpful for him to understand policy statements. TWWA is a prime candidate for some scientific study is appropriate improving his brain function. More brain cells or improving their function, however, will not help with his obvious TDS-driven hatred.

    1. pgl

      Hey dumbass – go read my 1st comment to what Moses claimed was hyprocrisy. I have no problem using stem cells for life saving research. So your beef with me is??? Oh yea – I called you on your incredibly stupid comment that biopharma research is funded by private companies. This is really funny since most of the development research that eventually led to this cocktail was well underway before Regeneron even existed.

      Come on CoRev – you have your head so up your own ass you lost any clue what this thread was even about. But then that is your MO on every issue. Throw mud all over the place and then complain when some of it lands on you.

      Most pointless troll ever.

    2. Moses Herzog

      @ CoRev
      Don’t tell your “conservative” friends you like fetal tissue being used to save donald trump from Covid-19. They’ll put you on the same level as the restaurant employee who wouldn’t let “Karen” inside the front door so she could infect the 20 elderly people eating inside. Now that we know you are cool with using fetal tissue to save donald trump, you are now a pariah at all Evangelical events, tea party backyard hot dog roasts, and the pedo Catholic priest will slap you with his leather glove next time he sees you at Mass.

      I’ve been meaning to ask you for the last couple days CoRev, is this lady your wife??
      https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/j9j6z7/mega_karen_refuses_to_wear_a_mask_calls_911_gets/

  15. baffling

    “How long after birth are you OK with abortion; hours, days or decades?”
    in true corev fashion, he once again shows both his ignorance and blind idolatry of the conservative movement. hey covid, there is no such a thing as an abortion AFTER birth. idiot.

    but i find it interesting that covid would not answer 2slugs very direct question. in light of the knowledge that the regeneron cocktail is derived from the work on aborted fetus tissue, would you take the drug if infected? or would you stand by your moral high ground and refuse the drug? we already know donald chose preserving his own life over the abortion issue. would you do the same, covid? or would you simply stick with hcq?

    1. CoRev

      My, my, my Baffled gets it wrong again. Somehow he slipped into a truth. “there is no such a thing as an abortion AFTER birth. idiot.” Yet, too many in your party want to allow aborting/killing/death of a live birth infant after it was aborted. How long after that birth do you think it is OK to finalize the abortion? 2slugs clearly answered the question.

      “but i find it interesting that covid would not answer 2slugs very direct question. ” Answering a hypothetical false question? Why? Will you stop beating your wife and kids?

      Actually, I hope that my PREP precautions make an infections flu, Covid, etc minor and or asymptomatic. What are you doing?

      1. pgl

        You should tell those monkeys who have taken over your keyboard to lay off the bourbon as they keep writing some really stupid babble with your name assigned to it. Stop wasting people’s time with your irate insanity.

      2. baffling

        corev, you are simply making another incoherent statement to cover up the incredibly stoopid comment you posted. why not simply own up to your mistake? instead you simply continue to dig a hole.

        “Answering a hypothetical false question?”
        there is no hypothetical question. trump used medicine that was developed from aborted fetus tissue. are you ok with that, covid?

        as to your hypothetical question. i do not beat my wife and kids. now your turn, turd. would you take a medical treatment what was developed from aborted fetus tissue, in order to save your life? or do you want to dance around the answer again?

        1. CoRev

          Angry Baffled continues asking hypothetical question. Why is it so important to know what I may or may not do? Are you so insecure in your own beliefs about abortion, especially late term abortion, that you need to take this hypothetical path?

          I know this kind of logic is hard for you to understand, but I never mentioned my own beliefs about the Trump policy. I only discussed TWWA’s misconception of its applications. A$$-U-ME all you want, but, don’t be surprised when you are wrong, and called upon it.

          1. baffling

            corev, i asked a question that was NOT hypothetical.
            trump used medicine that was developed from aborted fetal tissue. are you ok with that, covid?

            you have been asked this question multiple times. and you avoid answering it. we all know why. privately, we know that you would take the drug, just like you will not publicly criticize trump for taking the drug. you value your life. it is other peoples lives that you do not value. to honestly answer this question would confirm your hypocrisy, covid.

  16. pgl

    The actual policy described: “Officials said government-sponsored research by universities will be allowed to continue, subject to additional scrutiny. But ongoing research at the National Institutes of Health involving fetal tissue from elective abortion would not be allowed to proceed.

    This is truly funny if you think about it (OK CoRev never thinks – he just fires off angry muck). So you are saying this policy is weak and feckless. In fact if your original claim that private companies do development research and NIH does phase III testing (the claim I call bogus which of course set angry stupid CoRev off on such a worthless set of rants) then you have basically said that this policy is absolutely meaningless.

    Hey let’s go with that. Let’s tell the religious right that Trump is an ultimate coward who has not a damn thing about this issue. Got it CoRev. Thanks!

    1. CoRev

      TWWA, again can’t analyze anything. Only he thinks a policy limited to Government scientists applies to all. Only he thinks actions done before any such policy was issued are included. only he thinks somethings (remember his UNRELATED study reference) and his UNRELATED comment re: stem cells were appropriate to this policy discussion. Only TWWA, thinks this policy belongs to a dictator, and not the President of a Republic. Only he thinks this policy applies to the entire world. NO LIMITS on Presidential policies!

      Only TWWA is so dense! Please stop showing us how little you understand and how poor are your logical thinking functions. Your an embarrassment to your family and friends.

      1. pgl

        “Only he thinks a policy limited to Government scientists applies to all.”

        I never said anything of the sort. How drunk are you? Each and every one of your comments are irate babbling. Now I did say you are outlining a scenario where Trump’s little policy announcement is a weak feckless meaningless piece of nothing. Which is fine by me as I support science.

        Maybe one day the scientists will find a cure for your clear insanity. And if you can’t afford – I pay for it so as to stop your pointless wasting of everyone’s time.

        Skip the booze tonight and take your meds.

        1. CoRev

          TWWA now claims: “I never said anything of the sort.” Then what was your meaning in suggesting/implying Regeneron’s scientists should not have been funded due to this policy. How dense or drunk are you?

          You then go on to say: “…I support science.” You have many times shown that you in fact DO NOT SUPPORT SCIENCE unless it conforms to your own beliefs. There’s a term for that: bias confirmation.

          The only one wasting our time here is you with your constant lying, exaggerations, false arguments, and out right trolling. It is truly sad that after watching you in action for over 2 decades you have learned so little about human nature, especially your own.

          Ronald Reagan “It isn’t so much that liberals are ignorant. It’s just that they know so many things that aren’t so.” You have been a walking talking example for Reagan’s comment.

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